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Old 10-31-2009, 11:37 AM
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Another fucking election

An election day is coming up, so I figured we ought to have a thread about it.

Virginia Governor: Easy R Pick-up

McDonnell (R) is trouncing Deeds (D), who he has previously defeated in a statewide election (Attorney General). The Washington Post pulled out all the stops on behalf of Deeds in this race, at one point penning 12 hit pieces in 11 days, but it hasn't mattered. The White House has already preemptively thrown Deeds under the bus, blaming his impending loss on not using them enough. Ha!

New Jersey Governor: Toss Up

Corzine's (D) favorables are bad news for an incumbent, but the race is complicated by a third party candidate in Daggett (I). Christie (R) has been outspent by Corzine, a former Goldman Sachs Chairman who pretty much bought the seat in the first place, by a factor of 3 to 1. Nevertheless, polls have the race as a dead-heat.

Of note in the race has been some Corzine digs at Christie's weight, which prompted Christie to say that he is gonna be a "big, fat winner."

New York District 23: Likely Conservative Pick-up (he'll caucus with Republicans, so also an R Hold)

Most recent polls have this three-way race down to Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman. Republican Dede Scozzafava, a card-check and stimulus supporting liberal endorsed by DailyKOS, was appointed the Republican candidate by the local party bigwigs. There was no primary for this special election.

After running a terrible campaign (which at one point included an odd episode where the cops were called on a conservative reporter for asking her questions), and numerous prominent conservative Republicans endorsed Hoffman, recent polls have shown her falling fast. With campaign funds completely dried up, she finally threw in the towel this morning. Expect Hoffman to pick up most of her supporters.

Ballot Initiatives*

Six** states will have state-wide ballot initiatives up for vote on November 3rd. Some of the more interesting ones include:

Maine Question 1: A "People's Veto" attempt to repeal an act which authorized same-sex marriage in Maine.

Maine Question 4: A TAxpayer Bill Of Rights (TABOR) initiative, question 4 would require taxpayer approval of taxing and spending efforts above a certain threshold (tied to inflation and population growth). The last TABOR attempt in Maine failed to pass.

Maine Question 5: Would allow for legal medical marijuana, and a regulated system of distribution.

Texas Proposition 11: Will prevent government, via constitutional amendment, from acquiring land for non-public use (Eminent Domain abuse).

Washington Referendum 71: A veto referendum that seeks to overturn SB 5688, a state domestic partnership law which granted all marriage rights to domestic partners.

*I take no position on these measures; rather, I just found them of significance.

**Correction: Six, and not seven, states will have ballots up on Nov. 3rd. The seventh with ballots this year, California, has already voted.

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An election day is coming up, so I figured we ought to have a thread about it.

Virginia Governor: Easy R Pick-up

McDonnell (R) is trouncing Deeds (D), who he has previously defeated in a statewide election (Attorney General). The Washington Post pulled out all the stops on behalf of Deeds in this race, at one point penning 12 hit pieces in 11 days, but it hasn't mattered. The White House has already preemptively thrown Deeds under the bus, blaming his impending loss on not using them enough. Ha!

New Jersey Governor: Toss Up

Corzine's (D) favorables are bad news for an incumbent, but the race is complicated by a third party candidate in Daggett (I). Christie (R) has been outspent by Corzine, a former Goldman Sachs Chairman who pretty much bought the seat in the first place, by a factor of 3 to 1. Nevertheless, polls have the race as a dead-heat.

Of note in the race has been some Corzine digs at Christie's weight, which prompted Christie to say that he is gonna be a "big, fat winner."

New York District 23: Likely Conservative Pick-up (he'll caucus with Republicans, so also an R Hold)

Most recent polls have this three-way race down to Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman. Republican Dede Scozzafava, a card-check and stimulus supporting liberal endorsed by DailyKOS, was appointed the Republican candidate by the local party bigwigs. There was no primary for this special election.

After running a terrible campaign (which at one point included an odd episode where the cops were called on a conservative reporter for asking her questions), and numerous prominent conservative Republicans endorsed Hoffman, recent polls have shown her falling fast. With campaign funds completely dried up, she finally threw in the towel this morning. Expect Hoffman to pick up most of her supporters.

Ballot Initiatives

Seven states will have state-wide ballot initiatives up for vote on November 3rd. Some of the more interesting ones include:

Maine Question 1: A "People's Veto" attempt to repeal an act which authorized same-sex marriage in Maine.

Maine Question 4: A TAxpayer Bill Of Rights (TABOR) initiative, question 4 would require taxpayer approval of taxing and spending efforts above a certain threshold (tied to inflation and population growth). The last TABOR attempt in Maine failed to pass.

Maine Question 5: Would allow for legal medical marijuana, and a regulated system of distribution.

Texas Proposition 11: Will prevent government, via constitutional amendment, from acquiring land for non-public use (Eminent Domain abuse).

Washington Referendum 71: A veto referendum that seeks to overturn SB 5688, a state domestic partnership law which granted all marriage rights to domestic partners.

Interesting on the elections...I am interested in the New York Congressional election. I think we all benefit from more than the two main parties being represented in Congress. Something needs to send a message to the Democrats and Republicans that they are not the only answers.

As for the Maine and Washington referendums re: same-sex marriage. I'm sorry, people's civil rights shouldn't be put to a vote. Two legal aged adults should have the right to form a civil union, or marriage, and no one should be able to trample on this. Similar if some rednecks in Alabama tried to outlaw interracial marriage, it's a violation of civil rights, and the US Supreme Court has said so. Just because you don't agree with it, does not mean that it shouldn't be allowed.

I do support the other Maine referendums as well as the Texas referendum. Hopefully they'll pass.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:23 PM
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71 is a big thing here in WA State... I'm sure it'll pass, but the conservative Christians are in a bit of an uproar over it.
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Here's the thing with Ref 71. The queers wanted an everything but marriage law, which honestly, I could give a fuck about. But they worded it in a way so that the law can make no distinction between a civil union and a marriage. The way it's worded is gonna open a flood-gate of future debate and legal fights. If two responsible adults, as they claim, should be free to do what they want, then what's to stop incest or polygamy? I don't think those issues are the same, but the way they wrote the law, it's a valid question. If they would have written it in a way they claim they wanted, I doubt it would be less of an issue.

The second issue with this is how the queers fought this initiative. They attempted to get a list of the names and addresses of all those who signed the initiative. Why? Probably to harass those who are trying to vote against the gay agenda. It's never been an issue in a past. I didn't sign it, I would have. This state's special interest groups have a bad habit of making villans of anyone who disagrees with them. They claim they support free speech and all that, but only if it supports their opinion.
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Oh by the way, this is WA state's most important election:

EAST COUNTY PARK & RECREATION (Snohomish)

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That's right bitches, I'm on a swing motherfucker.
hey faggot do you know Steve Hobbs?

Secondly, that dyke who was running in NY23 dropped out because she was a retard. I'd say Hoffman has the seat.

Corzine couldnt raise any money so 90% of what his campaign spent came out of his own pocket.
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Two legal aged adults should have the right to form a civil union, or marriage, and no one should be able to trample on this.
You're right, but you omit that government shouldn't be sanctioning any of those things either.
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Oh by the way, this is WA state's most important election:

EAST COUNTY PARK & RECREATION (Snohomish)

COMMISSIONER-AT-LARGE POSITION #4 Nonpartisan office (2-year unexpired term)
George Barnecut

19911 WELCH RD
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Joey D. Santone

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That's right bitches, I'm on a swing motherfucker.



Are you serious?





Edit: Yes, you were... kinda. http://web5.co.snohomish.wa.us/audi...T-LARGEPOS4.pdf
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Fuck a fancy writeup. I'm gonna win the same way obama did.


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haha monroe, you smell like cow shit. that guy you are running against is what my minds eye thinks Kenny looks like under the hood.

are you aware that I grew up in Lake Stevens.
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I did not know that.


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are you aware that I grew up in Lake Stevens.


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its weird how deeds really just fucked himself. probably best recent example of having every advantage and then fucking yourself.
Am I reading a tinge of "I want(ed) him to get elected"? And if so, why?
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So, because you happen to "know the family," you're perfectly willing to politically support a member of said family, regardless of his or her principles? Not trying to be a dick here, I'm genuinely curious.
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oh no, i don't support him in any fashion politically, with volunteerism, donations or with a vote (im still a maryland resident). it was exciting to know someone who could attain a relatively high profile office, and especially right after the primary, there appeared to be a decent chance he was going to win, but in the time since, he basically lost the election with nobody to blame but himself.

knowing him anecdotally, his principles are pretty fuzzy, i didnt think they were any fuzzier than his opponent, i thought he could overcome that. but i guess we can call it the al gore corollary, if you arent even winning the vote in your own home district (or state), you dont really have an argument that you should be winning the whole thing.
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...i guess we can call it the al gore corollary, if you arent even winning the vote in your own home district (or state), you dont really have an argument that you should be winning the whole thing.
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oh no, i don't support him in any fashion politically, with volunteerism, donations or with a vote (im still a maryland resident). it was exciting to know someone who could attain a relatively high profile office, and especially right after the primary, there appeared to be a decent chance he was going to win, but in the time since, he basically lost the election with nobody to blame but himself.

knowing him anecdotally, his principles are pretty fuzzy, i didnt think they were any fuzzier than his opponent, i thought he could overcome that. but i guess we can call it the al gore corollary, if you arent even winning the vote in your own home district (or state), you dont really have an argument that you should be winning the whole thing.
He isn't your political horse so much as just a guy you know and thus one to whom you pay attention. Gotcha.
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it was exciting to know someone who could attain a relatively high profile office, and especially right after the primary, there appeared to be a decent chance he was going to win, but in the time since, he basically lost the election with nobody to blame but himself.
I don't think that's fair. One party rule inevitable engenders significant political backlash in America (sometimes faster than others depending on the stupidity or the particular people in charge), and is felt not just in national but also state elections. McDonnell has been ahead in almost every single poll since the primary votes, hell since before the primaries in the hypotheticals too. I'm not sure any Democrat could have won in Virginia given the national environment.
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i agree, it was going to be very difficult for any democrat to win this year in VA, but this year's pickings were pretty slim. and i do believe that if deeds didnt flip flop on his gun control stance and maintained his endorsement from the NRA, it would be within 5.
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I'm just going to be glad to not have to watch those fucking commercials anymore. It seems as though VA has a major office up for grabs every year and the mud slinging comes out in full force for months.
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i agree, it was going to be very difficult for any democrat to win this year in VA, but this year's pickings were pretty slim. and i do believe that if deeds didnt flip flop on his gun control stance and maintained his endorsement from the NRA, it would be within 5.
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Some updates:

McDonnell continues to lead by double-digits.

Scozzafava endorsed the Democrat, no doubt to the embarrassment of the national party boobs who spent almost $1 million on her campaign. Hoffman leads in recent polls.

Nate Silver asks (and answers) 15 questions to help illuminate the tight New Jersey race. He gives a slight edge to Christie, whose supporters are more enthusiastic. Corzine's saving grace may be the Democrats state machine apparatus.
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I'd vote for Santone on the basis of the other guy looking like the kind of queer who hangs out in the bathroom at the park with candy in his pockets.
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I'd go with Santone based on the multiple grammar errors in Barnecut's statement. No matter the office, I would never vote for someone who can't either use apostrophes correctly, or at least have someone proofread. Jesus fuck that pisses me off.
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I'd go with Santone based on the multiple grammar errors in Barnecut's statement. No matter the office, I would never vote for someone who can't either use apostrophes correctly, or at least have someone proofread. Jesus fuck that pisses me off.
Wait, you mean apostrophe's don't go on plural's?
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I'd go with Santone based on the multiple grammar errors in Barnecut's statement. No matter the office, I would never vote for someone who can't either use apostrophes correctly, or at least have someone proofread. Jesus fuck that pisses me off.
I've actually voted against people because I found glaring spelling and/or grammatical errors (I'm not talking typos here) on their websites, in their platforms or statements, etc. Given it's such an easy thing to avoid, not avoiding it tells me a good deal about someone.
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