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Old 11-16-2009, 11:01 AM
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Meh. I find the whole coaches who get outraged at countries calling up players at inopportune times hilarious.

It's an honor to represent your country, and I'm sure if the players didn't want to do it they'd say something. From a club perspective it sucks, but you can't do anything other than bitch about it. Injuries happen, it's a part of sports. Why are the Netherlands (or anyone else who has qualified and isn't the US) playing a friendly this far removed from the World Cup? I don't know. Money?

Plus, it was only a matter of time til VP got hurt in the EPL anyway. Apparently laying off the Big Macs didn't do him any good.
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Meh. I find the whole coaches who get outraged at countries calling up players at inopportune times hilarious.

It's an honor to represent your country, and I'm sure if the players didn't want to do it they'd say something. From a club perspective it sucks, but you can't do anything other than bitch about it. Injuries happen, it's a part of sports. Why are the Netherlands (or anyone else who has qualified and isn't the US) playing a friendly this far removed from the World Cup? I don't know. Money?

Plus, it was only a matter of time til VP got hurt in the EPL anyway. Apparently laying off the Big Macs didn't do him any good.
Players have almost zero latitude to say no. Henry said no to playing in mindless exhibitions for France, and they still won't let him back in. Of course it is an honor to represent your country. Countries take advantage of that...at the expense of the clubs.
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Players have almost zero latitude to say no. Henry said no to playing in mindless exhibitions for France, and they still won't let him back in. Of course it is an honor to represent your country. Countries take advantage of that...at the expense of the clubs.
There was some blurb about Henry outright laughing at France's national coach during a press conference or something. I'm sure he cares, but he really dislikes their coach.

And yeah, there was no way in hell all of Arsenal's delicate attackers were going to stay healthy for more than like two weeks. It just happened, they went on a tear, and now one of them's hurt again. Jesus, at least it wasn't as bad as Eduardo's injury two years ago.
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And yeah, there was no way in hell all of Arsenal's delicate attackers were going to stay healthy for more than like two weeks.
Yeah, plus Cesc was hurt, but only for a couple of weeks so he's still got something coming, and I don't know if Rosicky is healthy or injured again, but if he's healthy he's long overdue for some season ending ailment.
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Gah. I hope both of you never have sex again.

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It can't hurt, right?

I don't know, Van Persie's a little out there. I read something over the summer that said he stopped eating fast food b/c he thinks it was the cause of so many injuries and delayed his recovery time. I don't think he was a fast food junkie or anything. Shit, Chad Ochocinco probably eats every meal from McDonald's.

On another note, for you Euro snobs, MLS Cup is Sunday. LA vs. RSL. As much as I love to hate Beckham it's definitely a good thing for the league that LA is in the championship, and probably a better thing if they win it. And as much as I hate Chicago, it would have also been better (for the league) for them to have beaten RSL, with the star power of the Hunchback of Bridgeview and McBride going against Landycakes and Goldenballs.

We'll see what happens. I do love me some Yura Movsisyan, too bad he's gone after this game.

Bargaining agreements have been going on for a while. Hopefully the salary cap will be at least doubled, minimum salaries raised to at least something halfway decent like 35k. If the MLS is serious about competing in international competitions it needs to expand the roster sizes as well (in addition to increasing the salary cap). If the MLS really wants to grow it's gonna have to stop losing players to leagues in Scandinavia that aren't any better but can are paying 2,3, or 4 times as much as the MLS.
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But, and I’ve given this a great deal of thought, there is no alternative. In rugby the official on the pitch may call on the assistance of a video recorder, and that is fine. It means the important decisions will be correct. But if a football official were to call for a slow-motion replay every time Didier Drogba fell over, each match would last about six weeks.
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IMO there's no reason they can't implement video for crossing the goal line situations and retroactively handing out bans for clear instances of diving (with time determined by how obvious and egregious it was). That's the only way they're going to get rid of diving.
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So apparently Henry just stole a WC bid for France.

Surprised to see Russia not make it.
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So apparently Henry just stole a WC bid for France.
I haven't seen any play from France or read anything from any sportswriters that has convinced me that France deserves to be there next year.
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Yeah. I don't know if you were talking about it or not, but I was referring to what was apparently a Maradona-esque move from Henry. BBC live updates was in an uproar.

I haven't seen Russia play since Euros so I can't comment on them, but they obviously looked great there.
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well the replays show that he was offside on the kick, plus he stops the ball with his left hand before he shoots it.

if anything, horrible referee'ing and the linesman should have called the offside.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OiW...player_embedded

He said in the press it was a hand ball but unintentional.

He clearly extends his arm. Intentional. Dirty stink monkeys, hope they get their comeuppance.
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He clearly extends his arm. Intentional.
I try really hard to be an Henry fan. I'm not sure why. But that was totally intentional. And nicely done.
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I try really hard to be an Henry fan. I'm not sure why. But that was totally intentional. And nicely done.
He's a world class player, and until now, no reason not to like him (ignoring being French).

Being a gooner makes it real easy for me.
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He thinks a replay would be completely fair, and goes out of his way to say it was completely his fault:

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news...=goal&type=lgns

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Fuck him and fuck you. I hope Bendtner misses 5 sitters this weekend, up from his usual 3.
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This is simply not true. I played soccer competitively in High School and College (Division 2, but still ) and handling the ball it is NOT an instinctive reaction at that level. The man has been playing soccer for his entire adult life and is trained NOT to touch the ball. You use your hands and arms for balance and position, and sure, sometimes you inadvertently touch the ball, but your instinct is never to handle it.

He cheated and insisting that he didn't makes him a huge douchbag.

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This is simply not true. I played soccer competitively in High School and College (Division 2, but still ) and handling the ball it is NOT an instinctive reaction at that level. The man has been playing soccer for his entire adult life and is trained NOT to touch the ball. You use your hands and arms for balance and position, and sure, sometimes you inadvertently touch the ball, but your instinct is never to handle it.
Yep. That's like the idiot ref in my rec league telling me it was instinctual for a defender to slide tackle after I told him to card the other team for doing it repeatedly on the edge of their box (it's illegal in our league, thank God). I've been playing defender in no slide tackling allowed leagues for 4 or 5 seasons now and I've never done it once. Once I really wanted to, but didn't.

Plus, what kind of fucking morons want to slide tackle on shitty ass field turf anyway?
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Plus, what kind of fucking morons want to slide tackle on shitty ass field turf anyway?
I have a big discoloration/scar on my shin from doing this (as goalie) once 4-5 years ago. You are not allowed to slide at all in the league I played in, even if there is no one around. (Goalies can because the alternative is much more dangerous.)

Reading between the lines, I think Henry meant to handle the ball, did so, got his country the win, and feels terrible about it precisely because he is not a douchebag, although it was an incredibly douchey move. Most amateur athletes I know do things in the heat of competition that they later regret, and I imagine pro athletes do the same thing when something like a berth in the World Cup is at stake.
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I have a big discoloration/scar on my shin from doing this (as goalie) once 4-5 years ago.
I've got the same thing on my elbow from this past summer. IIRC from falling off my bike and sliding head first on sandy asphalt it takes something like 10 years for that type of thing to completely heal up.
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This is simply not true. I played soccer competitively in High School and College (Division 2, but still ) and handling the ball it is NOT an instinctive reaction at that level. The man has been playing soccer for his entire adult life and is trained NOT to touch the ball. You use your hands and arms for balance and position, and sure, sometimes you inadvertently touch the ball, but your instinct is never to handle it.

He cheated and insisting that he didn't makes him a huge douchbag.
give me a break. there are handballs in professional soccer all the fucking time. most of the time it is unintentional. just a reflex reaction to a ball coming at you. doesn't make you a cheat. if the ball hadn't gone into the goal, nobody would be having this conversation. or if the ref had gotten the call right, nobody would be having this conversation. what the hell does that tell you?

also, way to read two lines in an article and make all sorts of judgments based on it.
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most of the time it is unintentional.
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just a reflex reaction to a ball coming at you.
This is only partially true.

The ONLY time I have ever had a reflex reaction to touch the ball was when it was headed at my face and I wasn't expecting it. In such a case it is clear that it was a split second defensive reaction. Redirecting the ball with your hand when it isn't going to smack you in the face is not excusable. It's cheating plain and simple.
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also, way to read two lines in an article and make all sorts of judgments based on it.
Do you want me to comment line by line on the article? That's just silly. The line I chose was, in my expert opinion, the most telling.

The only reason he's apologetic now is because he got caught. If the guy was as classy as you claim, he would have put the ball out of bounds after the foul wasn't called.

EDIT: I lied a little. I did once save a goal by punching the ball over the top of the goal. It was a clear handball and it resulted in a penalty shot, but we were down by 1 in injury time and needed the win. Yes, I cheated but I owned up and took the punishment. Lucky for me it was before the change to Law 12, so I wasn't red carded.

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